there is a PDF file with the most probably soon anounced EOS 5D specs. if it's true - this is my camera

http://alex.netfun.ro/Canon5D-specs.pdf

Price is rumored around 3400 €

Julian

Oh, gawd, my fiancee will kill me when she finds out that there really is a "better" camera than the 20D I just purchased in March! I guess I should keep my hands out of the honeymoon fund!

On a different note, this (if true) is a little disconcerting to me. Canon seems to be going in the direction of full frame cameras even though they are developing the EF-S lenses to complement the crop sensor cameras!?! I find it hard to believe that they are going to continue developing "pro-sumer" crop sensor cameras and complimentary lenses along with a line of professional full frame cameras. That would leave a lot of people that have committed themselves to using EF-S lenses with no clear upgrade path! This is precisely the reason I've only purchased lenses compatible with full frame cameras to use with my 20D.

Argh! This is such a complicated and expensive hobby!

Looks great. I may have to put that in the budget. Let's see 3400 Euros... should be around $3000 US.

Sorry, Herbko, but I think that 3400€ will be around 3900-4000 US $
mmmm............Sorry again
Matetes

I was half joking. The cameras usually go for around the same number of euros and dollars even though there's a 20% currency difference. Just checked the price of a 20D in the US & Germany on the ebay sites of the respective countries and they are both around 1250. Also, by the time a housing is available, the price is likely to be 10% lower.

Looks awesome...however a larger viewfinder would have been nice

Before Canon set EF-S as a new lens standard a lot of people did expect sensors to grow in the D60/10D class in the future. 1.6 crop had been considered as an affordable entrance to digital SLRs and time would allow to have full frame sensors below the 1D class too. Those people (including me) were a bit disappointed when Canon introduced the 20D and EF-S lenses (300D kit lens was considered more as a single exception at that time). Reasons: full frame hope was gone and EF-S didn’t work on their cameras. But there are still a lot of people left hoping for some camera between the 20D and 1D series. If the 5D is real, I think it’s a type of camera some people still have waited for.

I was wondering why Canon never introduced any EF-S L glass or something like the Nikon DX 10.5mm fisheye. Maybe this is the answer as Canon’s future semi pro class features full frame too.



From the specs the viewfinder is much bigger than the 20D one's. A true full frame viewfinder, except not 100% coverage. It's only slightly smaller in comparison to the 1Ds (same magnification).

Julian

Thanks Julian missed the magnification factor...Now I really want one

I want one, too. Start saving your pennies, ya'll!

Though the dimensions might not be the same between the 5D and the 20D, it looks like the number of buttons and their placement is fairly similar between the two. It'd be interesting to see if you could modify an existing 20D housing to fit the 5D.

from the specs it's slightly bigger than the 10D.

20D: 144 x 106 x 72 mm
10D: 150 x 107 x 75 mm
5D: 152 x 113 x 75 mm

Julian

ISO 50 : for the sunburst shot. The bad news is I really need bigger strobes.

If it is true that we can 100% exect that Nikon will come with a new model untill Xmas

But maybe is a fake. I can imaging a pro model with a Printer button like the 10d

A friend off mine ist just come back from a visit to the Nikon factory in Taiwan and he have ask about a new Nikon model. They have only smile and say its come sooner that people expect.

Very very intresting !!!

It's still too much coin for me.

Ha Todd, do what i do and get paid in green backs instead of purple/blue/red/brown/green backs....

One more reason to hate Canon (so many choices) and Nikon (so freakin slow), i don't have the money anyways so i shouldn't talk.....boooo!

it s a fake
look at the top of the camera :

front side there s no pop up flash
rear side you can see one

There have been plenty of rumours flying around for a while that Canon would introduce a second full frame body later this year. This would be great for all Canon UW users as they would finally be able to use a full frame fisheye at sub 1DS prices.

My gut feeling is that this brochure is a hoax. But probably not that far from the truth on specs. I would expect them to use the 3D name (harking back to the excellent EOS 3 and also getting one up on the Nikon D2!). Or go for 30D as a step up from the 20D.

Alex

I think to that this is a hoax but Is till feel that untill xmas there will be
some news from Canon & Nikon.

We only hope that do a great camera. For me I am waiting for a Nkon camera with the Autofocus system off the D2X lower Iso Noice and better viewfinder. About pixels I am not going crazy.

Lambis

I'm intrigued - if you look at water resistance on the pdf brochure, it states NO! I cannot see a manufacturer actually printing this - far more likely to simply leave such a comment out. So I'll only believe this when I hear a full-blown Canon announcement!

I don't wanna hear that, I want to place an order for this beautifull (fake-) camera

In spite of the strange looking photos - I really hope something like this is coming soon ... Would love to have fisheyes and wideangles back.

Julian

3D release was rumored around the time I bought my 10D, I remember...

That camera in the photo is consumer build quality, it would be a big ask to charge 3-4000 USD for that. Second hand 1dS can be brought in good condition in that price range.

Canon is committed to full frame, unlike Nikon. The flagship Canon will always be full frame (the 1.3 crop may disappear in time , though). I'm sure you'll be able to buy a 1.6 crop camera for your EF-S lenses for a long time yet, though.

My guess is that this is a fake. Anyone want to bet a new 1DsMk3 on it?

Herb, watch out what you dream for - because sometimes dreams do come true.
-Mark / Inon America

Mark,

As there are many of us around who've more than occasionaly expressed interest in larger INON strobes, you really need to stop teasing us like this . . .

Mike

I think that he is not teaching

INON have something new on the way...

Oh crap... my wife is going to kill me!

I'm just hoping whatever they're thinking is what I'm thinking

Mike

here is a screenshot of the 5D being on the european Canon CPS site. The site is down now, I wonder why

http://www.p5freak.de/images/cps.gif

On the site as well: EOS 1D MkII N and a great lens: 24-105 F4 L IS USM

yes, my bank account will suffer too, I like this lens already from the specs only.

Julian

Julian

Where do you find all this infos??

Great job man!! I like that canon come with a new model very fst. Why becauce Nikon must do it to.

SO people save you money, lose some kilos, sale you organs....

That is of courcenot the case for D2X users. They have only one lung or one eye left .... Hi hi hi

I think that you are off the mark here Lambis. Nikon never react to what Canon do (unfortunately for Nikon users).

But this camera would be fantastic for Canon UW photographers as it will solve the lack of a fisheye for less $$$ than a 1DS or 1DS Mk2.

Alex

I think the competition from the other side does matter. The price and feature and timing of the D70 was no doubt influenced by the 300D. It works the other way also. 350D owners can thank Nikon for forcing Canon to put out a full featured low end camera.

Going to full frame sensors is a major step for Nikon. I don't doubt that Sony can make a full frame sensor, but if they, Nikon, were to match Canon and put out a ~$4000 full frame camera. They will have lots of fast talking to do to people who bought a D2x for 5000 with all the DX lenses.

Alex. Let me dream.

You have your D2X (and I have 2 kidneys) so leave me please dreamming..

Is it true that Nikon never react to what Canon do?? Strange..

An example what Alex probably means: Nikon D2H anouncement, a few days/weeks later Canon has released the 1D MkII with twice the resolution and same frame rate of around 8fps. Meanwhile, the 1D MkII is Canon's "oldest" camera in the lineup and there has never been an answer from Nikon until today.

Pretty much the same with the D100, no response to 10D and 20D until now. And Nikon shooters really seem to wait for it. But they should have it in the pipeline finally I hope

Julian

i ve just received saturday my new d2x, thanx god nikon doesn t change models every 6 months like canon does ... ;-)

actually the 1D Series has never been changed that a new housing would have been required. Pro Bodies keep the same for a longer time. Therefore these housing are a quiet save investment too.

Julian

You don't have to change just because they put out something new. I'm still happy with my 300D almost 2 years after I bought it.

herbko, I was joking , I think I have know everything I could have wished with my new camera

browsing dpreview like a lonely monster in front of the computer when pre-release rumors become hot and indicate an interesting new canon dslr pretending to fit my needs

Julian

Lambis, bite your tongue! Luckily I also still have 2 kidneys so if a D3X comes out, I might still have a mean to get one
Also have a full set of liver so I can also part with my right lobe for another Subal housing!

So what is the advantage of this camera for underwater use over a 1Ds?

Main thing I can think of is the possibility of housing it a bit cheaper eg it might fit in a 20D housing without too much modification. Sadly no-one has developed a 'cheap' 1-series housing yet.

Other than that - I'm sure high ISO usability will be better (I miss that on the 1Ds, which is crap in this regard). It's got an extra megapixel. That's about it. So I'm not convinced about trading the 1Ds for a 5D, although I'm willing to be convinced.

The new lens looks sweet. I don't know that I'd actually buy it, unless the optical performance at the wide end is better than the current 24mm offerings, which aren't really great. I don't think I'd use IS alot in this focal length.

I could not think of any reason for an 1Ds owner to switch to the 5D. You would loose the better body.
But I think it's more an interesting camera to people who want full frame and higher resolution but not to spend 7000 bucks for the 1Ds MkII and its solid body.
A used 1Ds is an attractive option too and the used prices won't really raise because of the 5D.

Julian

edit: 5D housings might be cheaper but on the other hand 5D body won't stay the same over future generations as the 1D bodies usually do ... but your 1Ds Ewa-Bag might be compatible to the 5D too

Lambis-

The exchange rate must be different in Greece.

My d2x cost an Arm and one Leg...

I see in your area they are going for one eye, lung and maybe a kidney....


M. )

The other thing to remember is time. I think that it will be unlikely that the will be a 5D housing out until this time next year. Whereas you can buy a 1D/1DS housing today. You can take a lot of pictures in one year!

I also think that the housing manufacturers will not be queuing up to make housing for this camera. Ikelite, who is normally one of the fastest, tend to focus on mass market cameras. I can see Subal and Sea & Sea supporting this camera. Maybe Sealux too. Not convinced about Seacam, maybe?

The 5D is expensive and likely to generate low numbers of sales for UW shooting. The clincher would be if it was full frame. If it is, then fisheye factor will make this a popular choice for UW photography and may persuade several companies to go with it.

Judging from the interest expressed for my filters I would say that Nikon D70 + D100 out number Canon DSLRs about 3-4:1 in digital underwater photography.

So an expensive, but sub-pro Canon, is unlikely to be a great investment for housing makers.

Alex

I think that the 1DS Mk2 replacement will not have the same body. The main criticism of that camera by land photographers is the ergonomics of the body. SO I think that the current camera is the last that will fit in that housing (apart from the 1D Mk2N).

Alex have a point

Thats the reason that I have buy a Nikon D70 & a Nexus housing. I say to me , dont wait - take pictures - learn to use a DSLR underwater and dont invest much money.
Then if sometning good will come out I will strike like ZEUS

The 1DS Mk2 body is really old & big. Many Swedish fotografs criticasm this.
If canon come out with a new Camera it will be a absolut new design...

lambis

I'm not trying to compare it to the 1Ds Mk2 - quite a different price point, the 1Ds Mk 2 is undoubtably a better camera. But a used 1Ds ('Mk1', if you like) is about the same price. You get a pro body for your money, a weak AA filter (which is good for what most of us here use are cameras for, but not so great for fashion photogs) - and in return have to put up with outdated technology. The 1Ds doesn't even autorotate pictures taken in vertical. I'm sure Ansel Adams used to have to autorotate his JPEGs in the olden days, but it's pretty lame having to do so in 2005. But I digress...

The 5D pretty much looks like my 10D, with a more prominent pentaprism. Ugh, consumer camera. People will think you're shooting with a D30 or something.

As for the EWA-marine option - Jolly, I thought you were knowledable about such things. You should know that my U-AX won't fit a 1Ds, but would fit a 5D nicely. So if you buy one, give me a call and we'll do a deal.



<edit> just came across this thread on LL about 20D and EWA-bag. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/cgi-bin/...=0;r=1;&#entry4

Second comment down from 'benjammer' - LOL

I agree that not every housing manufacture might jump into the gap between entry and pro bodies. For me, the 5D (if the specs are true) is a very nice underwater camera for two reasons: full frame for fisheye and a true uncropped big viewfinder like a film body or 1Ds (MkII). Both not available with a lower Canon DSLR model and both not less important for underwater. Add a street price of around 3000 and the resolution not available for this price anywhere else, it might be quiet attractive for some. Some even might prefer a smaller body than the 1D series. I am sure (if the camera is real - what I do believe today, but maybe not tomorrow) at least Subal and UK-Germany will build a housing. I would not be surprised if Sealux does not because they have their roots with Nikon like Seacam.

If the camera is real, I will most probably order it and use it topside initially and will continue with my 10D underwater for some time.

Just a thought: 5D with the simple Standard Sealux viewfinder (shrinking by 1.6) would roughly have the same image size as a 1.6 crop camera with the optional Sealux sportsfinder (almost 1:1). The viewfinder item may be interesting when investing in such a camera and saving additionally costs on viewfinder choice initially.

Julian

PS: Rob, I'll give you a call when I am up to a risky Ewa-Bag dive with my sweet 5D

Julian

That with Standard or optional sportsfinder is very true.
After I have buy my nikon I have think about it. The money that you invest for a sportsfinder you can invest for camera and housing.

Lambis

but this time Nikon seems to respond immediatley with a great D200:

DX Format with 12.4 effective megapixels

The new CMOS image sensor features high image quality and high-speed 4-channel data output

New image processing algorithms combine with optimized analog and digital white balance to produce smoother, more consistent gradations with exceptionally pure color reproduction

Continuous shooting: 3 frames per second (fps) at 12.4 megapixels for up to 10 consecutive NEF (Nikon Electronic Format) images; 5 fps for 18 NEF images at 6.8 megapixels

3D-Color Matrix Metering II with ambient light sensor and 1,005-pixel RGB sensor further improves on Nikon’s acclaimed exposure metering system

High-speed, high-precision 11-area AF system with 9 cross-type AF sensors deliver quick response and sharp focus, even under the most challenging shooting conditions

Two new Adobe RGB color modes further expand professional color space options and also support for sYCC color space

Excellent response with instant power-up and ultra-fast 52ms shutter release lag

Top shutter speed of 1/8,000 second and flash sync speeds up to 1/250 second

Faster read/write speed for the memory card and a USB 2.0 Hi-Speed interface for faster image transfer

Large 2.5-inch LCD monitor for easy access to settings and information, as well as clear, flicker-free image preview

Creative in-camera effects, Image Overlay and Multiple Exposure

Functions such as World Time, automatic rotation of vertical compositions expand possibilities

Lightweight, durable magnesium body

Full support for Nikon's Creative Lighting System when used with the SB-800 or SB-600 Speedlights

In addition to DX Nikkor lenses, the D200 supports more than 50 AF Nikkor lenses

Nikon’s PictureProject software is included, enabling easy control over image adjustment and management

Support for Nikon Capture 4 (version 4.3), a software application with the tools to assist the professional photographer

NEF (RAW) format for the utmost in versatile, effective image control and correction

JPEG and NEF (RAW) Combination Filing System enables simultaneous recording of NEF and JPEG data for the same shot

source link:
http://alpseb.free.fr/D200/NikonImagingNikonD200.htm

I am not familiar with Nikon pre-release-leaks, but this sounds quite real to me.

Julian

"Two new Adobe RGB color modes further expand professional color space options and also support for sYCC color space"

These aren't new. They are on the D2x. I think that this info has been copied and pasted from a D2x brochure and updated in certain areas by the hoaxer.

Alex

Now I am starting to believe the 5D is real. Together with 5D rumors, there were also rumors of a new Canon lens, the 24-105 f/4L USM, well, it appears that the lens is real, check this official Canon site:

Canon 24-105

So, if the lens is real, I suspect the camera may be too.

Luiz, you make my day! this lens was on the same Canon site screenshot (which was offline shortly afterwards of course) together with the 5D

Julian

Yes, that's why I think the 5D is real too!